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Interview: Yunus on Six Months of Turmoil in Bangladesh (AI Translation)

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2025年1月22日,瑞士达沃斯,孟加拉国临时政府首席顾问尤努斯出席世界经济论坛2025年年会。图:Yves Herman/IC photo
2025年1月22日,瑞士达沃斯,孟加拉国临时政府首席顾问尤努斯出席世界经济论坛2025年年会。图:Yves Herman/IC photo

文|财新周刊 胡舒立、徐和谦 发自瑞士达沃斯

By Hu Shuli and Xu Heqian from Davos, Switzerland for Caixin Weekly

  “我原本觉得达沃斯不该是属于我的地方……我似乎应该处在达沃斯讨论的范畴之外。”1月23日,当2006年诺贝尔和平奖得主、“社会企业”概念的提出人,和以小额贷款模式扶助贫民的孟加拉格莱珉银行(即格莱珉银行,Grameen Bank)创办人穆罕默德·尤努斯,在瑞士举行的世界经济论坛上,以这样一段开场白引得众人会心一笑。与其对谈的世界经济论坛创始人施瓦布,在历数尤努斯对社会企业理念的阐扬贡献后,也话锋一转说,“不过我们今天聚焦的,不是你作为社会企业家的身份,而是你在五个半月前接下的新角色——孟加拉国临时政府的首席顾问”。

"I originally thought Davos should not be a place for me... It seems I should be outside the scope of discussions at Davos." On January 23rd, Muhammad Yunus, the 2006 Nobel Peace Prize winner, who introduced the concept of "social enterprise" and founded Bangladesh's Grameen Bank, known for its microcredit model supporting the poor, made this opening remark at the World Economic Forum in Switzerland, eliciting a knowing smile from the audience. World Economic Forum founder Klaus Schwab, after recounting Yunus's contributions to the social enterprise concept, shifted the focus by saying, "However, today's emphasis is not on your identity as a social entrepreneur, but on your new role that you took on five and a half months ago—Chief Advisor to the Interim Government of Bangladesh."

  2024年7月至8月,拥有1.72亿人口的南亚国家孟加拉国,发生了一场席卷全社会的大规模抗议。过去15年里铁腕主政的原总理谢赫·哈西娜宣布辞职,其领导的孟加拉国人民联盟政权亦随之坍塌。

From July to August 2024, the South Asian nation of Bangladesh, with a population of 172 million, experienced sweeping large-scale protests across society. Sheikh Hasina, the former prime minister who had ruled with an iron fist for the past 15 years, announced her resignation, leading to the collapse of the Bangladesh Awami League government she headed.

  随后,在国际舆论场上最富令誉的孟加拉人——但也因此曾与哈西娜政权关系紧张的尤努斯接获邀请出山,负责组织临时政府,并担任临时政府的首席顾问一职——实际上,这也是孟加拉国在这一过渡时期的实质总理。

Subsequently, Muhammad Yunus, the most esteemed Bangladeshi in the international arena, who also had a tense relationship with the Hasina administration due to this, was invited to emerge from retirement. He was tasked with organizing the interim government and served as the Chief Advisor of the interim government—effectively making him the de facto Prime Minister of Bangladesh during this transition period.

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Interview: Yunus on Six Months of Turmoil in Bangladesh (AI Translation)
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  • Muhammad Yunus became Bangladesh's interim leader after political unrest, tasked with restoring order and implementing reforms across various sectors, including the economy and governance.
  • Yunus's government, predominantly composed of non-traditional politicians and youthful leaders, aims to establish a "July Charter" for a new constitutional order.
  • Despite challenges like economic deterioration and youth unemployment, Yunus continues advocating for sustainable development and strengthened relations with global partners like China and India.
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[para. 1] Muhammad Yunus, the 2006 Nobel Peace Prize winner and founder of Bangladesh's Grameen Bank, spoke at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. Despite being known for his contributions to social enterprise, Yunus was recently appointed as Chief Advisor to Bangladesh's interim government, following the resignation and collapse of Sheikh Hasina's regime. Yunus was tasked with leading the transition, stepping into a role akin to a de facto Prime Minister. He had to move quickly, as he was at the Paris Olympics when the call for leadership came, arriving back in Bangladesh in August 2024.

[para. 2] Yunus's new responsibilities include tackling the aftermath of large-scale protests triggered by public dissatisfaction with the former regime's civil service quota system and perceived authoritarian governance. While Bangladesh's per capita GDP has increased significantly over the years, underlying economic issues such as high youth unemployment and lack of industrial diversification persist. Yunus accused the former government of facilitating corruption involving billions of dollars annually through loans that were never repaid.

[para. 3] With the political situation in Bangladesh at a critical point, Yunus formed an unconventional "Council of Wise Men" composed mainly of non-traditional politicians, including grassroots activists, NGO leaders, and technocrats. His emphasis remains on reforming the electoral system and other critical areas to foster transparency and future elections based on a new consensus.

[para. 4] The interim government has formed 15 reform committees focusing on diverse sectors such as judicial reform and anti-corruption initiatives. These committees aim to create a "July Charter," encapsulating desired reforms to reshape Bangladesh's political landscape. The goal is to secure endorsements from political parties to pave the way for a new constitutional order and prepare for upcoming elections.

[para. 5] Yunus underscores the role of youth in the political transformation of Bangladesh, considering their involvement essential for reform. He believes that the young generation is uniquely empowered by technology and holds significant potential to influence societal change.

[para. 6] Despite pressure from the opposition party to expedite elections, Yunus advocates for a balance between electoral reform and preparation for a new election. He reassures that the interim government neither seeks permanence nor delays unnecessarily, aiming for effective reform implementation.

[para. 7] Yunus aims to diversify Bangladesh's economic base beyond garment manufacturing, eyeing regional cooperation to utilize hydropower resources. The transition attracted international interest, with countries like the United States and China showing varied degrees of engagement and support.

[para. 8] In interviews, Yunus elaborates on the interim government's focus on revitalizing the economy, rebuilding law and order, and preparing for future elections. He positions the administrative shift as a unique opportunity to reset Bangladesh's governance and societal framework.

[para. 9] Yunus also discusses Bangladesh's foreign relations, especially with China and India, emphasizing the desire for collaboration and mutual growth, with the expectation that partnerships will aid Bangladesh's economic development.

[para. 10] Ultimately, Yunus envisions a transformed Bangladesh, focusing on engaging youth, encouraging industrial diversification, and fostering international partnerships to guide the nation towards stability and prosperity. He views the current period as a once-in-a-lifetime chance for significant positive change, urging swift and decisive action to secure lasting reforms and growth.

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Who’s Who
Grameen Bank
格莱珉银行
Grameen Bank, founded by Muhammad Yunus in 1983, focuses on microloans to aid the poor in Bangladesh. It primarily targets women, offering small loans without requiring collateral. Borrowers form groups to support each other's repayment efforts. The bank has played a significant role in economic empowerment and poverty reduction. By 2006, it reached nearly 700 million people across Bangladesh, with 97% of its clientele being women.
China Construction Bank
中国建设银行
Since 2018, Grameen China, led by Muhammad Yunus, has partnered with China Construction Bank, establishing nine cooperative institutions in locations like Shaanxi Ankang, Henan Lankao, and Guangdong Shenzhen. These ventures strictly adhere to the principles designed by Yunus, focusing on rural women's entrepreneurship loan projects, reflecting his commitment to poverty alleviation utilizing microcredit strategies.
Bridgewater Associates
桥水基金
Bridgewater Associates is mentioned in the article as its founder, Ray Dalio, met with Muhammad Yunus at the World Economic Forum in Davos. Dalio's meeting with Yunus was part of efforts to seek international support for Bangladesh following its political changes.
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What Happened When
From July to August 2024:
Bangladesh experienced large-scale protests leading to the resignation of Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina.
August 8, 2024:
Muhammad Yunus returned from Paris to Bangladesh to take on the role of Chief Advisor to the Interim Government.
September 25, 2024:
Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi met Muhammad Yunus during the UN General Assembly.
January 21, 2025:
The head of foreign affairs for the Yunus interim government, Touhid, met with Wang Yi in Beijing.
January 23, 2025:
Muhammad Yunus spoke at the World Economic Forum in Davos.
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